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Poster: csb99 Date: Apr 19, 2007 2:03pm
Forum: texts Subject: watermarks


Many of the newer U Toronto scans have a "digitized by Microsoft" watermark on every page. I think this is very ugly, irritating, and an abuse of the idea of "open source". Open should not mean defaced by advertising. This should either be discontinued or the logo "universal access to human knowledge" should be replace by "universal access to human knowledge brought to you by Microsoft".

C

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffgabe@archive.org Date: Apr 23, 2007 7:43am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

So that you understand:

Microsoft does not own these texts - the people of the world do! With Millions of out of copyright material to be scanned and put online and offering universal access - we need to keep our scanning machine/centres operating. We look for and receive funding from a variety of sources. Are we charging you to read these books? No. Are we asking you for monies to download these images and pdf's? No. These are open and free to use. There are plenty of text's not only in the Canadian Libraries section but the American as well, where, physical users ( prior to scanning) have defaced books with high lighters, pens, pencils, comments....... ths is also considered defacement. Your anger and frustration stems from simply not liking MS - that's your choice. Does the watermark prevent you from absorbing the knowledge within a given text? I doubt it. So try to understand how thousands of books that we scan everyday, with the effort of a tremendous amount of people make it on line, for you to read in the comfort of your own home.

Ohhh by the by......there's a reason the watermark is there and it's so that these materials can be kept open and free:)

Cheers

G.

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Poster: Greg Lindahl Date: Apr 26, 2007 6:08pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

Woah -- how can you conclude that his anger stems from disliking MS? Maybe he hates all ugly watermarks? How do you know the difference?

I hope you aren't in marketing...

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Poster: Jimmy Pitt Date: May 9, 2007 11:13am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

You completely miss the point. Of course many books have been defaced -- it's sad, but there's nothing one can do about it. But Microsoft (and others -- I have no axe to grind with MS as such) DO have a choice not to deface books further. Sadly, they (and you) prefer advertising to preservation: many of the texts that MS have digitised are completely ruined by watermarks across the text, footnotes, images, maps . . .

I'm sure nobody minds seeing Microsoft get credit for the work they are doing, but please don't be so naive as to think that they are being altruistic: if they were, they wouldn't need to deface every page of every book, like some mindless vandal with a felt-tip pen.

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Poster: csb99 Date: May 15, 2007 6:13am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks


A response , particularly to gabe@archive.org . I am not in the slightest concerned with what the watermark says . If it said "scanned for archive.org " I would find it no less unpleasant . If the point of a text is just to " absorb the knowledge of a given text " then a watermark is insignificant : if the point is the appearance of the text , like the scan of the 1485 Jenson De Citivate Dei , it is defacement . This book is only of interest for its appearance : if someone really intended to read it doubtless there are better scholarly texts or translations much easier to read . If someone underlined or used a highlighter on that I would think it criminal . "Ohhh by the by......there's a reason the watermark is there and it's so that these materials can be kept open and free " . Most books here do not have this watermark , Microsoft has sponsored scanning for over a year without implementing this policy : you are saying then , all books scanned after the middle of April 2007 and sponsored by Microsoft have to have a watermark to be open and free . I really would like this to be explained . The reasoning behind this one is perfectly opaque to me .

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Poster: benjclark Date: Jul 19, 2007 9:15am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

Fine, we have to put up with MS's commercial inthe margins. However, there should be a process to remove them, especially in the case where the watermark interferes with text, footnotes, images, etc.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Jul 19, 2007 2:41pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

I believe the PDF was made using commercial software http://www.luratech.com/ which supports multiple layers.

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"LuraDocument JPM is the world’s first implementation of the new ISO standard JPEG2000/Part6 for the compression of scanned color documents containing both bitonal elements (such as text and technical drawings) and images. Text and image components are segmented and compressed separately, each with the optimal algorithms. In the process, the bitonal layer is stored losslessly in Fax Group 4 format,while the fore- and background layers are compressed using the JPEG2000 standard."

There may be more information from this vendor about how to remove the microsoft watermark layer. We need a PDF guru with access to tools to figure this out.

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Poster: Branko Collin Date: May 27, 2007 12:57pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

Great way to insult your patrons, Gabe.

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Poster: sorrento Date: Sep 1, 2007 3:06pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

You can bet that when big business gets involved in a project like this there is no 'free lunch.' What we have here is Microsoft trying to catch up with Google. By all means let them have some credit for their scanning efforts, but wouldn't you think their involvement would be adequately acknowledged by a credit on the verso of the title page?.....It is possible to get rid of he watermark but it requires putting the PDF through OCR software such as Abbyy Fineradrer. Avoid the temptation to remove the watermark in Abbyy- I tried this and lost the material completely. The best way is to save the OCR results as a Word doc. Then open (in Word) : Edit/ Replace, enter 'Scanned by Microsoft (R)', enter nothing in the Replace box, press Find next, then press Replace all, and voila, the cursed words disappear. This isn't a trouble-free solution because the text you have after OCR needs to be checked for accuracy.
I have scanned numerous books for PG and similar sites on a purely voluntary basis.I don't expect restrictions to be placed on the use of texts I have contributed. The truth is that Microsoft, as much as it would wish, cannot restrict the use of the books they have had scanned, except physically through use of the watermark. THey can do nothing to stop the scanned text being used by any individual in whatever way he or she wishes - removing the watermark does not as far as I knowinfringe any law. I have noticed that quite a few of Microsoft's scanned texts are ones that I have scanned independently in the past. I am tempted to upload them so they can be used without restriction.

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Apr 23, 2007 5:04pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

1) I would not spend the money to print a book with watermarks, for example via LuLu.

2) IA is partly a user supported non-profit, like PBS, I donate money annually to IA and PBS for the good work they do. PBS shows don't have watermarks every second of every episode. It's tastefully handled at the beginning and end of each show, maybe an intermission "Brought to you by.."

3) The need for watermarks on every single page only makes sense in the context of MS warfare with Google over searching rights.

I'm hoping someone technical can find a solution to remove the watermarks, my guess is the documents have multiple layers and it should be fairly straight forward to remove the watermark layer.

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Poster: SamuelG Date: Apr 20, 2007 1:24pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

Many of the newer books by scanned by the University of California also have the ugly watermarks, which seems to inflate the size of the PDFs greatly as well. Looks like archive.org is following in Google's footsteps by adding corporate graffiti to every page.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Jul 13, 2007 2:33pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks, deal with them it's free media

Who cares, get a life

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Poster: stbalbach Date: Apr 19, 2007 6:36pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

Follow up question.. Is there a technical solution to removing corporate banners from the PDFs?

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Poster: Egyptian Falcon Date: Jan 19, 2010 7:02am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: watermarks

guys,I think I found a method to remove this God Damn watermark !


It's a simple trick ,so simple indeed .

In the PDF ,when you find "digitized by MS "then all we can do is to insert our own image in the footer .
The image to be inserted should be a white black image of any size .

Acrobat allows this process ,more over you can adjust the location of the image you insert to make it completely above the ms watermark .


You insert the image in the footer as a water mark ;)

if you have any djvu ,then convert it to pdf then repeat the procedure .

Peace of cake

This post was modified by Egyptian Falcon on 2010-01-19 15:02:20

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